I find it funny when people like Richard Dawkins ask the question who created God. In fact, in a debate between Alister McGrath, who is awesome, and Richard Dawkins, who is a genius evolutionary biologist, Dawkins stated that it would be easier for him to believe in a God who evolved. It is interesting to see how hard it is for men like Dawkins to see God for who he is not what they can only accept. They need a God who was created, evolved, and has limitations. The word infinity is all to much for them and it is to them a easy way for Christians to avoid a problem, to them anyways, that need to be discussed.

Video between Dawkins and McGrath- http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6474278760369344626

McGrath’s website- http://users.ox.ac.uk/~mcgrath/

Also just an add in:

Why Is the Universe Growing So Fast?

Einstein used math to explain how the universe works. There was just one problem. His math said the universe couldn’t stay the same. It had to be growing or shrinking. At the time, though, most people thought it was doing neither. So Einstein changed his math.

It turns out Einstein was right in the first place. It was later found that the universe is growing. And it grows faster every day. A force known as dark energy could be the reason. It’s called “dark” because no one can see it.

Sean Carroll is helping NASA. He’s trying to explain this unseen force. He wants to know what it is and where it comes from. Those are hard questions to answer. He says Einstein had the right approach to problems like this.

“He learned as much as he could about what was already understood,” Sean said. “At the same time, he kept an open mind about new ways of doing things.”

Link- http://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/k-4/home/F_Einstein_K-4.html

Nice post Casey. I don’t think too many folks understand the implications of God existing outside of time. When the scriptures speak of eternity, and the ages of ages, I think that it is a reference to that timeless existence we will experience when we die … not that I understand it

Would God being benign really put anyone into space/time to exist for a sequence of whatever years? And then have him come back, when this existence ends in the death of the body, whatever that may be? This doesn’t make any sense. A perfect Creator could have nothing to do with such littleness. Thank God.

Great golden nugget post, Casey. For me, this is the strongest logical argument for God, that we need an uncaused Prime-cause that is outside the closed cause-effect system.

If God, as you say, created the universe of time, space and matter, is He then subject to these characteristics, too? Did He even lose His fundamental properties, because suddenly there is time telling Him to undergo changes? Why would He even think of such a ridiculous notion of seperating cause and effect by inserting time inbetween?

But most of all, the question is this: Can anything eternal come up with something that is not eternal? How would He know of it? Obviously, if God is everything there is, and therefore the cause of everything, there can be no such thing as time, or time is above God. Therefore, your posts needs some clarification, I think.

I was saying that it is hardly possible that any creator is not subject to the same laws he sets up for his creations, most especially, if there can be nothing outside of an all-encompassing power and God. I don’t know if your example is a valid one. Are you really able to create a two-dimensional artwork. Virtually, maybe, but you can never see it two-dimensionally. All the materials you have available, are three-dimensional. There is no such thing as two-dimensional, is there? It is only an idea.

You are saying God is outside of time and space. How is that really possible in your perspective? Is He not omni-present and all powerful? But suddenly you have a new power introduced by time and space that constitutes a new set of rules. It even takes his children away from him. He certainly cannot want that to happen. Is He now subject to laws He set in motion? Or, are you saying, everything that happens in time and space happens exactly as God wanted it to happen?

Also, where did God get the idea of time and space? It seems like the idea of time and space is antagonistic to God’s qualities in every regard. Do you consider it reasonable that God would have such an idea, and even want its effects?

Yet He does not exist without it. A cause is cause by its effects. There is no creator without his creation.

An omni-present or all-encompassing God cannot set up a separate state. Everything will always be within Himself. You would have to explain how it would be true that ideas can leave their source, and take on qualities the source does not contain, becoming different from their own origin, apart from it in kind as well as distance, time and form.