Comments on: Some people needs killin’ http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/some-people-needs-killin.html A blog about current events from a Christian perspective. Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:05:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Scott http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/some-people-needs-killin.html/comment-page-1#comment-1367 Scott Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:39:24 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/?p=268#comment-1367 At this point that's largely true, our AI's are pretty crude. The thing that makes all of this possible even likely are two things. One, programs are now able to learn. You can see this in things like speech recognition and Big Blue, the chess computer from IBM. The second is advances in hardware. The storage and processing necessary to have an AI is becoming possible. At this point that’s largely true, our AI’s are pretty crude. The thing that makes all of this possible even likely are two things. One, programs are now able to learn. You can see this in things like speech recognition and Big Blue, the chess computer from IBM. The second is advances in hardware. The storage and processing necessary to have an AI is becoming possible.

]]> By: casey http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/some-people-needs-killin.html/comment-page-1#comment-1366 casey Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:58:05 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/?p=268#comment-1366 Obviously I haven't spent much time on the subject, but if the AI's we develop operate according to our programs, doesn't that mean that they lack sentience? Without sentience I don't see why we would treat them any different than automobiles. If we create them for a specific purpose, it seems morally justified (or morally neutral) that they would perform that function. Obviously I haven’t spent much time on the subject, but if the AI’s we develop operate according to our programs, doesn’t that mean that they lack sentience? Without sentience I don’t see why we would treat them any different than automobiles. If we create them for a specific purpose, it seems morally justified (or morally neutral) that they would perform that function.

]]> By: Scott http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/some-people-needs-killin.html/comment-page-1#comment-1364 Scott Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:01:29 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/?p=268#comment-1364 Well we're already developing limited AI's. It's only a matter of time imo before we develop a fully functioning AI. As for telling if it;s operating outside "programmed parameters", don't we have "programmed parameters"? We need to eat, sleep, breed, those are all desires hard wired into our brains. There are tests like the Turing Test (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test) which strive to answer those very questions. As far as redefining life, we're constantly doing that as is. If you mean should something be biologically alive to have rights then I'd say not necessarily. If something were intelligent in the way we are (though not necessarily in exactly the same way) then it should have some rights. I like debates on hypotheticals provided we understand that at this point it is just that and don't get too tied up in it. Of course I think it would be a good idea to discuss things like this before they are needed. Well we’re already developing limited AI’s. It’s only a matter of time imo before we develop a fully functioning AI. As for telling if it;s operating outside “programmed parameters”, don’t we have “programmed parameters”? We need to eat, sleep, breed, those are all desires hard wired into our brains.

There are tests like the Turing Test (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test) which strive to answer those very questions. As far as redefining life, we’re constantly doing that as is. If you mean should something be biologically alive to have rights then I’d say not necessarily. If something were intelligent in the way we are (though not necessarily in exactly the same way) then it should have some rights.

I like debates on hypotheticals provided we understand that at this point it is just that and don’t get too tied up in it. Of course I think it would be a good idea to discuss things like this before they are needed.

]]> By: casey http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/some-people-needs-killin.html/comment-page-1#comment-1362 casey Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:51:03 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/?p=268#comment-1362 Yeah, it was the doctor. Would you ever really be able to prove that the AI was acting outside the programmed parameters? Is it even possible for humans to create such a thing? Wouldn't something have to be alive for it to be given rights? We'd have to redefine life, too, wouldn't we? I don't know. I find debates on hypotheticals entertaining at best, pointless at worst. Yeah, it was the doctor. Would you ever really be able to prove that the AI was acting outside the programmed parameters? Is it even possible for humans to create such a thing? Wouldn’t something have to be alive for it to be given rights? We’d have to redefine life, too, wouldn’t we? I don’t know. I find debates on hypotheticals entertaining at best, pointless at worst.

]]> By: Scott http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/some-people-needs-killin.html/comment-page-1#comment-1360 Scott Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:37:19 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/?p=268#comment-1360 Well if it was the doctor then he's also an AI based on an actual human being's brain. That's one thing I like about Trek. Maybe it's preachy but it makes you think. When we get to the point where AI's exist, should they have "human" rights? Well if it was the doctor then he’s also an AI based on an actual human being’s brain. That’s one thing I like about Trek. Maybe it’s preachy but it makes you think. When we get to the point where AI’s exist, should they have “human” rights?

]]> By: casey http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/some-people-needs-killin.html/comment-page-1#comment-1359 casey Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:16:31 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/?p=268#comment-1359 Okay, so the picking up part involves a separate technology. I was trying to figure out how light could do what he does. Last night's episode was about granting human rights to holograms. That was pretty funny, too. Okay, so the picking up part involves a separate technology. I was trying to figure out how light could do what he does. Last night’s episode was about granting human rights to holograms. That was pretty funny, too.

]]> By: Scott http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/some-people-needs-killin.html/comment-page-1#comment-1357 Scott Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:06:10 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/?p=268#comment-1357 The original Trek was pretty preachy, but I love it anyway. "I’ll never understand how he’s able to pick up physical objects, by the way" It's like the holodeck, I imagine it involves tractor/pressor beams. And no it's not always wrong to kill, we just need to be more careful when deciding who's deserving. The original Trek was pretty preachy, but I love it anyway.

“I’ll never understand how he’s able to pick up physical objects, by the way”

It’s like the holodeck, I imagine it involves tractor/pressor beams.

And no it’s not always wrong to kill, we just need to be more careful when deciding who’s deserving.

]]> By: casey http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/some-people-needs-killin.html/comment-page-1#comment-1355 casey Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:36:39 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/?p=268#comment-1355 I watch CSI: Miami, too, Danny. :D I watch CSI: Miami, too, Danny. :D

]]> By: Danny Lowe http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/some-people-needs-killin.html/comment-page-1#comment-1354 Danny Lowe Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:38:28 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/?p=268#comment-1354 I find it laughable when any show (especially a science fiction show) climbs up on its soap box and preaches (hey, if a doctor can be a hologram then a show can climb on its soap box). I live in America, with tons of choices but still, for some reason, I watch CSI: Miami. In every episode some character goes on some kind of political rant. On a side-note, its funny that Japan has such strict gun laws yet "Gunsmoke" was so popular there. I find it laughable when any show (especially a science fiction show) climbs up on its soap box and preaches (hey, if a doctor can be a hologram then a show can climb on its soap box). I live in America, with tons of choices but still, for some reason, I watch CSI: Miami. In every episode some character goes on some kind of political rant.

On a side-note, its funny that Japan has such strict gun laws yet “Gunsmoke” was so popular there.

]]> By: Ash75 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/some-people-needs-killin.html/comment-page-1#comment-1353 Ash75 Mon, 23 Jun 2008 04:41:11 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/?p=268#comment-1353 >Lived in Japan years ago - the only ‘American’ show that was >available was ‘Gunsmoke’ - dubbed in Japanese. That's funny. My mom lived here (Japan) over 40 years ago and said the same thing. >Lived in Japan years ago – the only ‘American’ show that was >available was ‘Gunsmoke’ – dubbed in Japanese.

That’s funny. My mom lived here (Japan) over 40 years ago and said the same thing.

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