Comments on: My punditry days are over… http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/sc_results.html A blog about current events from a Christian perspective. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:11:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Matt R. http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/sc_results.html#comment-1040 Matt R. Sat, 26 Jan 2008 05:49:13 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/sc_results.html#comment-1040 I was in the same boat you are, but I do now support Romney. Mainly, because of all the candidates left, he is the only one who is even trying to sound like a conservative. I was really against him for his pro-choice views of the past, and I too thought that his conversion was in insincere. But, I found his "conversion story", on a website that is very anti-Romney BTW. And, it changed my opinion. Romney was meeting with a stem cell researcher from the Harvard Stem Cell Institute in 2005. Romney claimed the researcher told him, "Look, you don't have to think about this stem cell research as a moral issue, because we kill the embryos after 14 days. " This is from massresistance.com Their main criticisms of this are that, one, he was too old to change, and two, the researcher claimed that they hadn't discussed anything even related to killing. Um, if you are doing this, then you don't think these babies are alive, thus you "can't" kill them. But that doesn't mean he didn't say something that would definitely mean "kill" to a pro-lifer. Now his stance on gay-marriage, I really haven't seen a reason for this change. But, for me, I doubt that social issues will be the dominant factor this term, and for me, his current stance of "it's a states right" is the exact same as Fred's, and it is the only correct one IMO, and it can also explain why he supported in Massachusetts, where people did want it. I'll do everything I can to see if we can't get Fred back in this, but, barring a miracle, I would rather see Romney than Huckabee (who is actually a much bigger flip-flopper), Giuliani, or McCain (who has also flip/flopped). If you have any info on Romney that shows how he really is a lot worse than just the flipping on social issues, I would be very interested. Cya around :) I was in the same boat you are, but I do now support Romney.
Mainly, because of all the candidates left, he is the only one who is even trying to sound like a conservative.
I was really against him for his pro-choice views of the past, and I too thought that his conversion was in insincere.

But, I found his “conversion story”, on a website that is very anti-Romney BTW.
And, it changed my opinion.
Romney was meeting with a stem cell researcher from the Harvard Stem Cell Institute in 2005. Romney claimed the researcher told him,

“Look, you don’t have to think about this stem cell research as a moral issue, because we kill the embryos after 14 days.
”

This is from massresistance.com
Their main criticisms of this are that, one, he was too old to change, and two, the researcher claimed that they hadn’t discussed anything even related to killing.
Um, if you are doing this, then you don’t think these babies are alive, thus you “can’t” kill them.
But that doesn’t mean he didn’t say something that would definitely mean “kill” to a pro-lifer.

Now his stance on gay-marriage, I really haven’t seen a reason for this change.
But, for me, I doubt that social issues will be the dominant factor this term, and for me, his current stance of “it’s a states right” is the exact same as Fred’s, and it is the only correct one IMO, and it can also explain why he supported in Massachusetts, where people did want it.

I’ll do everything I can to see if we can’t get Fred back in this, but, barring a miracle, I would rather see Romney than Huckabee (who is actually a much bigger flip-flopper), Giuliani, or McCain (who has also flip/flopped).

If you have any info on Romney that shows how he really is a lot worse than just the flipping on social issues, I would be very interested.

Cya around :)

]]> By: Kansas Bob http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/sc_results.html#comment-1039 Kansas Bob Sat, 26 Jan 2008 00:07:14 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/sc_results.html#comment-1039 I have seen Romney interviewed many times (you can catch a lot of it on youtube) and my opinion is that he sincerely changed his pro-choice inclination once he had to govern a state. I find him to be intelligent, fairly conservative and worthy of a second look.. I didn't think I liked him at first but came to like him over time as I listen to him debate and be interviewed. Now how much you can trust "anyone" running for office.. well maybe a preacher could be trusted.. oh wait.. that would include Huckabee and (Mormon Bishop) Romney.. oh well :) I have seen Romney interviewed many times (you can catch a lot of it on youtube) and my opinion is that he sincerely changed his pro-choice inclination once he had to govern a state. I find him to be intelligent, fairly conservative and worthy of a second look.. I didn’t think I liked him at first but came to like him over time as I listen to him debate and be interviewed. Now how much you can trust “anyone” running for office.. well maybe a preacher could be trusted.. oh wait.. that would include Huckabee and (Mormon Bishop) Romney.. oh well :)

]]> By: casey http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/sc_results.html#comment-1038 casey Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:55:12 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/sc_results.html#comment-1038 With his openly pro-choice position of the past, I find it hard to believe that he was simply forced to do that. I'm sorry, but I just can't trust him. He changed all his positions just in time to run for president. I think he will do or say anything to get elected. With his openly pro-choice position of the past, I find it hard to believe that he was simply forced to do that. I’m sorry, but I just can’t trust him. He changed all his positions just in time to run for president. I think he will do or say anything to get elected.

]]> By: Kansas Bob http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/sc_results.html#comment-1037 Kansas Bob Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:43:59 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/sc_results.html#comment-1037 Another view of Romney's plan: Massachusetts pro-life leader Marie Sturgis defends the plan, saying that the Bay State was already under court order from the state's top court to pay for abortions for low-income women in cases of rape and incest. "Certainly we have a problem with anything that provides abortion coverage," said Sturgis, who is executive director of Massachusetts Citizens for Life. ... I looked at the Joseph Farah article on sexual proclivity and.. if you are really interested in fringe journalism.. I could probably counter with an Ann Coulter opinion piece that supports Romney :) Another view of Romney’s plan:

Massachusetts pro-life leader Marie Sturgis defends the plan, saying that the Bay State was already under court order from the state’s top court to pay for abortions for low-income women in cases of rape and incest.

“Certainly we have a problem with anything that provides abortion coverage,” said Sturgis, who is executive director of Massachusetts Citizens for Life.
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I looked at the Joseph Farah article on sexual proclivity and.. if you are really interested in fringe journalism.. I could probably counter with an Ann Coulter opinion piece that supports Romney :)

]]> By: Rick Rouse http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/sc_results.html#comment-1030 Rick Rouse Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:54:25 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/sc_results.html#comment-1030 No matter who wins the Republican nomination I'll have to pull the lever for him if he's running against Hillary. None of the GOP hopefuls are conservative enough for my taste, but I had enough of Hillary when she co-president during the 90's. Besides, I'm not sure my blood pressure would stay at survivable levels if Bill became "First Womanizer". No matter who wins the Republican nomination I’ll have to pull the lever for him if he’s running against Hillary. None of the GOP hopefuls are conservative enough for my taste, but I had enough of Hillary when she co-president during the 90’s. Besides, I’m not sure my blood pressure would stay at survivable levels if Bill became “First Womanizer”.

]]> By: casey http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/sc_results.html#comment-1027 casey Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:50:17 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/sc_results.html#comment-1027 As governor, his health care plan of which he claims authorship and credit <a href="http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/romney_abortion.html" rel="nofollow">provides taxpayer-funded abortions for a copay of $50</a>. In 2002, he provided legal recognition to same-sex couples in Massachusetts, even though he was not required to do so under a state Supreme Judicial Court ruling, as he has suggested. He also <a href="http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59531" rel="nofollow">supports rights based on sexual proclivities</a>. Not exactly what I would call a social conservative. As governor, his health care plan of which he claims authorship and credit provides taxpayer-funded abortions for a copay of $50. In 2002, he provided legal recognition to same-sex couples in Massachusetts, even though he was not required to do so under a state Supreme Judicial Court ruling, as he has suggested. He also supports rights based on sexual proclivities.

Not exactly what I would call a social conservative.

]]> By: Kansas Bob http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/sc_results.html#comment-1026 Kansas Bob Thu, 24 Jan 2008 12:13:25 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/sc_results.html#comment-1026 I understand the issues that you have with Romney the candidate but I was wondering what issues you have with Romney the governor. What specifically did Romney "do" while in office that you did not like. I understand the issues that you have with Romney the candidate but I was wondering what issues you have with Romney the governor. What specifically did Romney “do” while in office that you did not like.

]]> By: casey http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/sc_results.html#comment-1025 casey Wed, 23 Jan 2008 05:56:09 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/sc_results.html#comment-1025 No doubt, he talks a good talk. His past record doesn't match up, though, so I don't trust him. If he gets the nomination I pray that I am pleasantly surprised by his sincerity. No doubt, he talks a good talk. His past record doesn’t match up, though, so I don’t trust him. If he gets the nomination I pray that I am pleasantly surprised by his sincerity.

]]> By: Kansas Bob http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/sc_results.html#comment-1024 Kansas Bob Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:16:29 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/sc_results.html#comment-1024 I support Romney for the same reasons <a href="http://kansasbob.blogspot.com/2007/12/grudem-supports-romney.html" rel="nofollow">theologian Wayne Grudem does</a>. I also thought Romney gave some good answers in the <a href="http://kansasbob.blogspot.com/2007/10/ct-interviews-romney.html" rel="nofollow">Christianity Today interview</a>. I support Romney for the same reasons theologian Wayne Grudem does. I also thought Romney gave some good answers in the Christianity Today interview.

]]> By: Lincoln http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/sc_results.html#comment-1020 Lincoln Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:54:19 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/sc_results.html#comment-1020 I wouldn't vote for Romney just for the simple fact that he's a Mormon. Those Mormon freaks are nuts (yeah I know, I'm an intolerant bigoted pig, and proud of it!) Oddly enough it won't matter who I choose, since my state always votes for the Democrat by over a 30 percent margin, so my vote is pretty much worthless except for the local elections. In my case I have the luxury then of refusing to throw down the lever for the GOP candidates I can't stand (which would be, oh, all of them except Freddie.. and Rudy, cuz he's Italian). If Romney wins, I probably won't vote for him. If McCain wins I sure as #$%& ain't voting for him. :sick: If you belong in a swing state though you should really vote, even if you have to hold your nose to do it. I wouldn’t vote for Romney just for the simple fact that he’s a Mormon. Those Mormon freaks are nuts (yeah I know, I’m an intolerant bigoted pig, and proud of it!)

Oddly enough it won’t matter who I choose, since my state always votes for the Democrat by over a 30 percent margin, so my vote is pretty much worthless except for the local elections. In my case I have the luxury then of refusing to throw down the lever for the GOP candidates I can’t stand (which would be, oh, all of them except Freddie.. and Rudy, cuz he’s Italian). If Romney wins, I probably won’t vote for him. If McCain wins I sure as #$%& ain’t voting for him. :sick:

If you belong in a swing state though you should really vote, even if you have to hold your nose to do it.

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