Comments on: The folly of pacifism http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/no_pacifists.html A blog about current events from a Christian perspective. Wed, 08 Oct 2008 00:35:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Michaela http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/no_pacifists.html#comment-715 Michaela Thu, 13 Dec 2007 04:20:40 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/no_pacifists.html#comment-715 Diddo. Diddo.

]]> By: casey http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/no_pacifists.html#comment-701 casey Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:00:52 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/no_pacifists.html#comment-701 Thanks, Rick. Same to you. Thanks, Rick. Same to you.

]]> By: Rick Rouse http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/no_pacifists.html#comment-700 Rick Rouse Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:27:04 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/no_pacifists.html#comment-700 May God bless you and your family during this Christmas season and throughout the new year. May God bless you and your family during this Christmas season and throughout the new year.

]]> By: Michaela http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/no_pacifists.html#comment-695 Michaela Tue, 11 Dec 2007 03:48:18 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/no_pacifists.html#comment-695 I doubt that even if violence was necessary that Jesus would have fought back because Jesus doesn't need to. Jesus used His words and I believe we can do the same. And I did respond to #16. I said we can expect to get in trouble by the government by disobeying it because that's how the world works. Unfortunately, I've learned that you can use the Bible to argue either way with pacifism. So I agree to disagree. I doubt that even if violence was necessary that Jesus would have fought back because Jesus doesn’t need to. Jesus used His words and I believe we can do the same.

And I did respond to #16. I said we can expect to get in trouble by the government by disobeying it because that’s how the world works.

Unfortunately, I’ve learned that you can use the Bible to argue either way with pacifism. So I agree to disagree.

]]> By: casey http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/no_pacifists.html#comment-692 casey Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:48:33 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/no_pacifists.html#comment-692 Nevermind the fact that a slap on the right cheek is not a life-threatening attack, you can point out words of wisdom from the Beattitudes all day long, but you're still missing the point I made back in response #16 that there are different commands for the government and the individual. Individuals are not to seek revenge, but the government is commanded to punish evildoers. I'm with Rick on this one: I think we're going to have to "agree to disagree." Nevermind the fact that a slap on the right cheek is not a life-threatening attack, you can point out words of wisdom from the Beattitudes all day long, but you’re still missing the point I made back in response #16 that there are different commands for the government and the individual. Individuals are not to seek revenge, but the government is commanded to punish evildoers.

I’m with Rick on this one: I think we’re going to have to “agree to disagree.”

]]> By: Rick Rouse http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/no_pacifists.html#comment-691 Rick Rouse Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:58:12 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/no_pacifists.html#comment-691 "What about when the men were going to stone the prostitute? He could of fought back to protect her. That would be justified, wouldn’t it?" Actually, Jesus did "fight back" on the prostitute's behalf. Like Solomon in the case of the disputed baby, He used logic and a few carefully chosen words to settle the situation. In those two cases violence wasn't necessary in order to solve the problems at hand, but unfortunately, sometimes it is. In addition to being the Son of the Living God, Jesus was also the wisest philosopher who ever walked the face of the earth. His words were sharper and more effective than any sword. But unlike Him, we humans can't always ensure that justice prevails by using words alone. Michaela, I believe that you're a compassionate person who loves the Lord and seeks to do your best to serve him, but I also believe this is one issue where we'll simply have to "agree to disagree". “What about when the men were going to stone the prostitute? He could of fought back to protect her. That would be justified, wouldn’t it?”

Actually, Jesus did “fight back” on the prostitute’s behalf. Like Solomon in the case of the disputed baby, He used logic and a few carefully chosen words to settle the situation. In those two cases violence wasn’t necessary in order to solve the problems at hand, but unfortunately, sometimes it is.

In addition to being the Son of the Living God, Jesus was also the wisest philosopher who ever walked the face of the earth. His words were sharper and more effective than any sword. But unlike Him, we humans can’t always ensure that justice prevails by using words alone.

Michaela, I believe that you’re a compassionate person who loves the Lord and seeks to do your best to serve him, but I also believe this is one issue where we’ll simply have to “agree to disagree”.

]]> By: Michaela http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/no_pacifists.html#comment-689 Michaela Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:04:32 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/no_pacifists.html#comment-689 Well, I believe (just like Gandhi) Jesus meant it literally when He said turn the other cheek and I believe He meant it for all people in all situations. Jesus was a master at turning the other cheek? He never fought back once. What about when the men were going to stone the prostitute? He could of fought back to protect her. That would be justified, wouldn't it? Well, I believe (just like Gandhi) Jesus meant it literally when He said turn the other cheek and I believe He meant it for all people in all situations. Jesus was a master at turning the other cheek? He never fought back once. What about when the men were going to stone the prostitute? He could of fought back to protect her. That would be justified, wouldn’t it?

]]> By: casey http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/no_pacifists.html#comment-686 casey Sun, 09 Dec 2007 02:34:06 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/no_pacifists.html#comment-686 See comment #16. Personal vengeance was prohibited in the Old Testament as well. See comment #16. Personal vengeance was prohibited in the Old Testament as well.

]]> By: Michaela http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/no_pacifists.html#comment-685 Michaela Sun, 09 Dec 2007 01:11:20 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/no_pacifists.html#comment-685 What about when Jesus said turn the other cheek? Ah, pacifism for ya! :) Haha. I think this conversation is going no where. What about when Jesus said turn the other cheek? Ah, pacifism for ya! :)

Haha. I think this conversation is going no where.

]]> By: casey http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/no_pacifists.html#comment-680 casey Sat, 08 Dec 2007 02:59:03 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/no_pacifists.html#comment-680 How about praying for God's will to be done and justice to be served? ;) (Revelation 6:9-10) How about praying for God’s will to be done and justice to be served? ;) (Revelation 6:9-10)

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