Comments on: Jesus = Jehovah http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/jesus_jehovah.html A blog about current events from a Christian perspective. Tue, 16 Mar 2010 00:34:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: casey http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/jesus_jehovah.html/comment-page-1#comment-1312 casey Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:20:27 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/jesus_jehovah.html#comment-1312 Thanks, Anju. Thanks, Anju.

]]> By: Anju http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/jesus_jehovah.html/comment-page-1#comment-1311 Anju Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:18:10 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/jesus_jehovah.html#comment-1311 Really really good post... I thought it was quite in-depth and well thought of. I really enjoyed reading your blog. Will visit more often! Really really good post… I thought it was quite in-depth and well thought of. I really enjoyed reading your blog. Will visit more often!

]]> By: Alban http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/jesus_jehovah.html/comment-page-1#comment-320 Alban Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:13:16 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/jesus_jehovah.html#comment-320 Read John 5. There it is written. Read John 5. There it is written.

]]> By: Scott http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/jesus_jehovah.html/comment-page-1#comment-300 Scott Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:24:26 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/jesus_jehovah.html#comment-300 The Father does judge. Can you clarify your last sentence? The Father does judge. Can you clarify your last sentence?

]]> By: Alban http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/jesus_jehovah.html/comment-page-1#comment-283 Alban Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:53:10 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/jesus_jehovah.html#comment-283 If the Son can do nothing but what He sees the Father do, then there obviously is no judgment, if the Father doesn't judge. I say, everyone who hears Jesus' words and does not believe Him, is condemed already, by his own non-belief. Could there be anything more devastating then the idea of being separated from eternal life? That is what this place called existence on earth is. Everyone here is here only by his own choice and unwillingness to listen to Jesus or the Holy Spirit who is always there. The moment you hear and accept, you are gone from here. If the Son can do nothing but what He sees the Father do, then there obviously is no judgment, if the Father doesn’t judge.

I say, everyone who hears Jesus’ words and does not believe Him, is condemed already, by his own non-belief. Could there be anything more devastating then the idea of being separated from eternal life? That is what this place called existence on earth is. Everyone here is here only by his own choice and unwillingness to listen to Jesus or the Holy Spirit who is always there. The moment you hear and accept, you are gone from here.

]]> By: Scott http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/jesus_jehovah.html/comment-page-1#comment-270 Scott Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:31:57 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/jesus_jehovah.html#comment-270 First of all love is not without judgment and God has a history of judging. Regarding John 5 what do you then do with <blockquote>24"I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life. 25I tell you the truth, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. 26For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself. 27And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man. 28"Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29and come out?those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned. 30By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me."</blockquote> Obviously if the father gave the son the capacity to judge and Jesus says "those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned" then judgment will happen. When Jesus said: <blockquote>1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.</blockquote> to whom was he speaking? His disciples and by extension us. This unfortunately is a lesson that many Christians have failed to learn. We aren't to judge since our own judgment is impaired. That doesn't preclude Jesus from judging. First of all love is not without judgment and God has a history of judging. Regarding John 5 what do you then do with

24″I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life. 25I tell you the truth, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. 26For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself. 27And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.
28″Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29and come out?those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned. 30By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.”

Obviously if the father gave the son the capacity to judge and Jesus says “those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned” then judgment will happen.

When Jesus said:

1″Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3″Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

to whom was he speaking? His disciples and by extension us. This unfortunately is a lesson that many Christians have failed to learn. We aren’t to judge since our own judgment is impaired. That doesn’t preclude Jesus from judging.

]]> By: Alban http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/jesus_jehovah.html/comment-page-1#comment-264 Alban Thu, 20 Sep 2007 04:27:45 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/jesus_jehovah.html#comment-264 I do not reject the idea of the Trinity. However, what would a distinct person be? I have to say, that there can and will be only one Source of reality, one Source of everything there is. That must incluce any other person, and therefore the Trinity. Because of that it is impossible that any mind have another will but God's. There is no will but God's. One source means everything created is an extension of the source. The very idea of judgment is insane. God is love. How could Jesus say, judge not that ye may not be judged, unless he knew that judgment only leads to destruction and death. Is it therefore sane to assume that there is someone judging me for my sins. If you will, there is only one judgment, and that is of the Holy Spirit saying God's Son is guiltless. Guess who is God's Son... I do not reject the idea of the Trinity. However, what would a distinct person be? I have to say, that there can and will be only one Source of reality, one Source of everything there is. That must incluce any other person, and therefore the Trinity. Because of that it is impossible that any mind have another will but God’s. There is no will but God’s. One source means everything created is an extension of the source.

The very idea of judgment is insane. God is love. How could Jesus say, judge not that ye may not be judged, unless he knew that judgment only leads to destruction and death. Is it therefore sane to assume that there is someone judging me for my sins. If you will, there is only one judgment, and that is of the Holy Spirit saying God’s Son is guiltless. Guess who is God’s Son…

]]> By: casey http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/jesus_jehovah.html/comment-page-1#comment-255 casey Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:01:59 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/jesus_jehovah.html#comment-255 Since you reject the doctrine of the Trinity (which states that there are three distinct persons in the Godhead) we are obviously going to disagree on what this passage is teaching. There are intricacies involved here, including the fact that at the time Jesus was speaking these words he had emptied himself and become human. In his human form I imagine his brain did not have the capacity for omniscience, so he had to rely on the Father, hence "the Son can do nothing of himself." Since you reject the doctrine of the Trinity (which states that there are three distinct persons in the Godhead) we are obviously going to disagree on what this passage is teaching. There are intricacies involved here, including the fact that at the time Jesus was speaking these words he had emptied himself and become human. In his human form I imagine his brain did not have the capacity for omniscience, so he had to rely on the Father, hence “the Son can do nothing of himself.”

]]> By: Alban http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/jesus_jehovah.html/comment-page-1#comment-254 Alban Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:55:45 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/jesus_jehovah.html#comment-254 If the Son and the Father are in complete unity, then there is no judgment at all. If the Father does not judge, the Son does likewise, most especially, if he decided (again) not to will other than the Father. Didn't Jesus say, the Son can do nothing than he sees the Father do? So, the Son does not judge. I understand this reference about committing all judgment to the Son in that way, that the Son, who is Jesus, you, me, each of us singularly, claimed this right for himself, and did so in his fall. But Jesus saw that there can be no judgment that is true. So he decided to do the Father's will. God certainly does not take anything away from anyone. God only gives. If you want to judge, all judgment is committed unto you. Bless you. The mess is brought about by the idea that you can escape your own judgment thinking that the one judged by you is different from you. How then could you judge him at all? If he is different, then you do not know him, and can not judge. But we all see in others what we see in ourselves. What we hate in others we hate in ourselves. Does Jesus see in anyone anything that is not forgiveable? What then would be the function of judgment? To delay the act of forgiveness? Because I think that what is unforgiveable in me, is also unforgiveable in you? If the Son and the Father are in complete unity, then there is no judgment at all. If the Father does not judge, the Son does likewise, most especially, if he decided (again) not to will other than the Father. Didn’t Jesus say, the Son can do nothing than he sees the Father do? So, the Son does not judge. I understand this reference about committing all judgment to the Son in that way, that the Son, who is Jesus, you, me, each of us singularly, claimed this right for himself, and did so in his fall. But Jesus saw that there can be no judgment that is true. So he decided to do the Father’s will. God certainly does not take anything away from anyone. God only gives.

If you want to judge, all judgment is committed unto you. Bless you. The mess is brought about by the idea that you can escape your own judgment thinking that the one judged by you is different from you. How then could you judge him at all? If he is different, then you do not know him, and can not judge. But we all see in others what we see in ourselves. What we hate in others we hate in ourselves. Does Jesus see in anyone anything that is not forgiveable? What then would be the function of judgment? To delay the act of forgiveness? Because I think that what is unforgiveable in me, is also unforgiveable in you?

]]> By: casey http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/jesus_jehovah.html/comment-page-1#comment-253 casey Wed, 19 Sep 2007 00:59:06 +0000 http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/jesus_jehovah.html#comment-253 You're reading things into the text that are not there. It does not say that the Father has no will to judge. He obviously has a will to judge, because he committed the responsibility to the Son. The Son and the Father are in complete unity, so the Son's judgment is in perfect harmony with the Father's will. If you deny the Trinity it might get a little messy, but these verses pose no problem for a trinitarian. You’re reading things into the text that are not there. It does not say that the Father has no will to judge. He obviously has a will to judge, because he committed the responsibility to the Son. The Son and the Father are in complete unity, so the Son’s judgment is in perfect harmony with the Father’s will. If you deny the Trinity it might get a little messy, but these verses pose no problem for a trinitarian.

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