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		<title>By: casey</title>
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		<dc:creator>casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi alliekidd,

Yes, I would say that variation in species occurred after the flood (as well as before it). The Bible says that God created animals after &quot;their kind.&quot; That leaves room for a great deal of variation. Some variation would have come about through mutation, but certainly not all or even most. I&#039;m taller than my mother and father and have a different hair color, but that doesn&#039;t mean I&#039;m a mutant. Creationists do not deny that mutations affect the gene pool. They simply question whether mutations plus natural selection could produce the kinds of changes necessary for molecule-to-man evolution. If we go by what is observed today, then the answer is a resounding &quot;no.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi alliekidd,</p>
<p>Yes, I would say that variation in species occurred after the flood (as well as before it). The Bible says that God created animals after &#8220;their kind.&#8221; That leaves room for a great deal of variation. Some variation would have come about through mutation, but certainly not all or even most. I&#8217;m taller than my mother and father and have a different hair color, but that doesn&#8217;t mean I&#8217;m a mutant. Creationists do not deny that mutations affect the gene pool. They simply question whether mutations plus natural selection could produce the kinds of changes necessary for molecule-to-man evolution. If we go by what is observed today, then the answer is a resounding &#8220;no.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: alliekidd</title>
		<link>http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/creation_museum_cincinnati.html/comment-page-1#comment-42</link>
		<dc:creator>alliekidd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>okay, i&#039;m really enjoying reading everyone comments, evolutionist do tend to be quite forthright and self righteous these days which does undoutably  discredit their arguments, but i must say ,raised to believe in genisis, their attitude does little to discredit darwins theory itself (for me personally at least)
I find it stange that you can state that variation animal species (dog etc) came from after the flood, this is after eden so god has done his creating? (my bible knowledge is a little rusty, as is my spelling) how did this variation come about other than through the mutation of genes, which is how evolution claims it happens. lets say a few thousand years for all the species to create this wonderful variation, thats a long way in just 4000 - 6000 years which shows a very productive system. Put that into context of 200 million years when the fossil record begins.
It won&#039;t be untill both sides (evolutionist&#039;s and creationists) work together as what they claim to be scientist, searching for truth together and conduct their research in an unbiased manner that either theory can be disproved/proved, hey maybe they will &#039;create&#039; a theory that has &#039;evolved&#039; from both arguments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>okay, i&#8217;m really enjoying reading everyone comments, evolutionist do tend to be quite forthright and self righteous these days which does undoutably  discredit their arguments, but i must say ,raised to believe in genisis, their attitude does little to discredit darwins theory itself (for me personally at least)<br />
I find it stange that you can state that variation animal species (dog etc) came from after the flood, this is after eden so god has done his creating? (my bible knowledge is a little rusty, as is my spelling) how did this variation come about other than through the mutation of genes, which is how evolution claims it happens. lets say a few thousand years for all the species to create this wonderful variation, thats a long way in just 4000 &#8211; 6000 years which shows a very productive system. Put that into context of 200 million years when the fossil record begins.<br />
It won&#8217;t be untill both sides (evolutionist&#8217;s and creationists) work together as what they claim to be scientist, searching for truth together and conduct their research in an unbiased manner that either theory can be disproved/proved, hey maybe they will &#8216;create&#8217; a theory that has &#8216;evolved&#8217; from both arguments!</p>
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		<title>By: casey</title>
		<link>http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/creation_museum_cincinnati.html/comment-page-1#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 06:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@einzige

So it&#039;s the word &quot;rock&quot; that you are taking issue with, correct? Okay, how about &quot;evolutionists believe that life arose out of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nap.edu/html/creationism/origin.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;gas and dust which formed clouds that later collapsed and formed a rock (the Earth)&lt;/a&gt;.&quot; According to my college textbook (perhaps outdated now) lightning struck a pool of chemicals on the rocky surface which contained some amino acids or something and, poof! the first living cell was born. Whether you want to call it a &quot;rock&quot; or not, according to the theory of evolution, there was no life before this. These gases and whatnot broke down to form chemicals and amino acids and all that good stuff which eventually came together to form the first living cell. Ultimately life arose from gases and dust (the &quot;rock&quot; to which the creationist referred). Please correct me if I&#039;m wrong.</description>
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<p>So it&#8217;s the word &#8220;rock&#8221; that you are taking issue with, correct? Okay, how about &#8220;evolutionists believe that life arose out of <a href="http://www.nap.edu/html/creationism/origin.html">gas and dust which formed clouds that later collapsed and formed a rock (the Earth)</a>.&#8221; According to my college textbook (perhaps outdated now) lightning struck a pool of chemicals on the rocky surface which contained some amino acids or something and, poof! the first living cell was born. Whether you want to call it a &#8220;rock&#8221; or not, according to the theory of evolution, there was no life before this. These gases and whatnot broke down to form chemicals and amino acids and all that good stuff which eventually came together to form the first living cell. Ultimately life arose from gases and dust (the &#8220;rock&#8221; to which the creationist referred). Please correct me if I&#8217;m wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: casey</title>
		<link>http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/creation_museum_cincinnati.html/comment-page-1#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 05:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John

I see. I didn&#039;t realize there were such lectures available. I can&#039;t speak for AiG staff. I&#039;m not affiliated with them in any way. FYI AiG does public lectures, too. The scholar in question may not be calling for censorship, but he did specifically say, &quot;creation scientists cannot have a directly positive effect on folks&#039; understanding of science...&quot; That is either the height of arrogance or abject fear (come to think of it, maybe it is just arrogance). I&#039;m also tired of evolutionists claiming that creationists &quot;twist science&quot; or &quot;take facts out of context&quot; just because they draw different conclusions than their evolutionist counterparts. Creationists do bring something to the table, and it&#039;s quite frustrating that evolutionists will not admit shortcomings in their theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John</p>
<p>I see. I didn&#8217;t realize there were such lectures available. I can&#8217;t speak for AiG staff. I&#8217;m not affiliated with them in any way. FYI AiG does public lectures, too. The scholar in question may not be calling for censorship, but he did specifically say, &#8220;creation scientists cannot have a directly positive effect on folks&#8217; understanding of science&#8230;&#8221; That is either the height of arrogance or abject fear (come to think of it, maybe it is just arrogance). I&#8217;m also tired of evolutionists claiming that creationists &#8220;twist science&#8221; or &#8220;take facts out of context&#8221; just because they draw different conclusions than their evolutionist counterparts. Creationists do bring something to the table, and it&#8217;s quite frustrating that evolutionists will not admit shortcomings in their theory.</p>
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		<title>By: einzige</title>
		<link>http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/creation_museum_cincinnati.html/comment-page-1#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>einzige</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 16:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: #6...

&lt;em&gt;If the distinction is not clear, why take issue with the statement that “dogs came from a rock”?&lt;/em&gt;

Non sequitur. Another &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_%28logic%29&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;logical fallacy&lt;/a&gt;. I thought this was a &quot;critical thinking&quot; blog (well, actually, I &lt;em&gt;didn&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; think that, but given its title...).

&lt;em&gt;You seem to be moving the goal posts.&lt;/em&gt;

No, I&#039;m just pointing out that things exist which don&#039;t easily fit into the categories of &quot;life&quot; versus &quot;non-life&quot;.</description>
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<p><em>If the distinction is not clear, why take issue with the statement that “dogs came from a rock”?</em></p>
<p>Non sequitur. Another <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_%28logic%29" rel="nofollow">logical fallacy</a>. I thought this was a &#8220;critical thinking&#8221; blog (well, actually, I <em>didn&#8217;t</em> think that, but given its title&#8230;).</p>
<p><em>You seem to be moving the goal posts.</em></p>
<p>No, I&#8217;m just pointing out that things exist which don&#8217;t easily fit into the categories of &#8220;life&#8221; versus &#8220;non-life&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: John Brolley</title>
		<link>http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/creation_museum_cincinnati.html/comment-page-1#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>John Brolley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 15:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not at all an odd request -- every university holds public lectures that are attended by citizens beyond the academic community, including those who have &quot;finished their schooling&quot; at the undergraduate or graduate level.

Moreover, the scholar in question did not for one moment suggest that AiG or creationists in general be censored in any way, and he certainly did not mention any lawsuits. He simply offered an opinion on the material he observed at the museum and his perception of its usefulness. No fear involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not at all an odd request &#8212; every university holds public lectures that are attended by citizens beyond the academic community, including those who have &#8220;finished their schooling&#8221; at the undergraduate or graduate level.</p>
<p>Moreover, the scholar in question did not for one moment suggest that AiG or creationists in general be censored in any way, and he certainly did not mention any lawsuits. He simply offered an opinion on the material he observed at the museum and his perception of its usefulness. No fear involved.</p>
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		<title>By: casey</title>
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		<dc:creator>casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dan,

Thanks for coming to my defense. :) 

Evolution is &quot;only&quot; a theory, but so are a lot of other widely held beliefs like certain theories of gravity. Gotta be careful with that one. 

As for thermodynamics, evolutionists claim that open systems are an exception. This &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v3/i2/thermodynamics.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;isn&#039;t true&lt;/a&gt;, but you have to be careful with this one, too. 

They also have quite a long list of transitional species, since they believe that everything evolves, everything is, in effect, a transitional species. 

I don&#039;t know what their responses will be to the other issues you brought up, so let&#039;s wait and see. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dan,</p>
<p>Thanks for coming to my defense. <img src='http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/1.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Evolution is &#8220;only&#8221; a theory, but so are a lot of other widely held beliefs like certain theories of gravity. Gotta be careful with that one. </p>
<p>As for thermodynamics, evolutionists claim that open systems are an exception. This <a href="http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v3/i2/thermodynamics.asp">isn&#8217;t true</a>, but you have to be careful with this one, too. </p>
<p>They also have quite a long list of transitional species, since they believe that everything evolves, everything is, in effect, a transitional species. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what their responses will be to the other issues you brought up, so let&#8217;s wait and see. <img src='http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/1.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dan King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I love this whole discussion, but what frustrates me most is the fact that creation is ridiculed, while the theory (yes, even Darwin called it a theory, and actually did not believe that it could really stand) of evolution is taught as fact. Religion aside, scientifically, evolution cannot happen in the scale that we would have to experience it in the world that we know today.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I would like evolutionists to answer a few things for me:&lt;br /&gt;
(1) Spontaneous generation - science has NEVER been able to create life out of non-life. Show me one example of this actually happening.&lt;br /&gt;
(2) Entropy (second LAW of thermodynamics) - this states that things deteriorate over time, while evolution requires that rather than dispersing, that they come together and get stronger. So the very idea of evolution goes against this scientific law. Explain exactly how all of nature could defy this scientific law.&lt;br /&gt;
(3) Transitional species - Darwin pointed out that the fossil record would have to show thousands of &quot;in-between&quot; animals. To date, not one &quot;missing link&quot; has ever been found, especially when moving from one species to another. Show me one transitional species.&lt;br /&gt;
(4) Sex - If we started as a single-sex organism that reporoduced on it&#039;s own, then what evolutionary benefit would tehre be in requiring two sexes to reproduce? In addition to that, it would have taken millions of years for each sex to evolve separately. In this case, how then could either survive without the other being fully evolved. In order for this to work both sexes would have had to instantly change and realize that they required each other all within a single lifetime (which is not very long).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I could go on for a while, but even science which has discoverd the complexity of the human genome, and the age of the universe (by finding it&#039;s boundary), cannot create even the human eye. Statistically, science would rule it impossible for even an eyeball to evolve because there would not be enough time for the correct mutations to occur. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The worst part is that our public schools are teaching this junk. If anyone who reads this went to college and walked away as an evolutionist, I would ask for your money back! But if you still choose to believe that unsubstantiated myth, then I&#039;ve got some property in Florida that I want to sell you...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Evolutionists just fight so hard, because there is no other alternative, except....   :-)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this whole discussion, but what frustrates me most is the fact that creation is ridiculed, while the theory (yes, even Darwin called it a theory, and actually did not believe that it could really stand) of evolution is taught as fact. Religion aside, scientifically, evolution cannot happen in the scale that we would have to experience it in the world that we know today.</p>
<p>I would like evolutionists to answer a few things for me:<br />
(1) Spontaneous generation &#8211; science has NEVER been able to create life out of non-life. Show me one example of this actually happening.<br />
(2) Entropy (second LAW of thermodynamics) &#8211; this states that things deteriorate over time, while evolution requires that rather than dispersing, that they come together and get stronger. So the very idea of evolution goes against this scientific law. Explain exactly how all of nature could defy this scientific law.<br />
(3) Transitional species &#8211; Darwin pointed out that the fossil record would have to show thousands of &#8220;in-between&#8221; animals. To date, not one &#8220;missing link&#8221; has ever been found, especially when moving from one species to another. Show me one transitional species.<br />
(4) Sex &#8211; If we started as a single-sex organism that reporoduced on it&#8217;s own, then what evolutionary benefit would tehre be in requiring two sexes to reproduce? In addition to that, it would have taken millions of years for each sex to evolve separately. In this case, how then could either survive without the other being fully evolved. In order for this to work both sexes would have had to instantly change and realize that they required each other all within a single lifetime (which is not very long).</p>
<p>I could go on for a while, but even science which has discoverd the complexity of the human genome, and the age of the universe (by finding it&#8217;s boundary), cannot create even the human eye. Statistically, science would rule it impossible for even an eyeball to evolve because there would not be enough time for the correct mutations to occur. </p>
<p>The worst part is that our public schools are teaching this junk. If anyone who reads this went to college and walked away as an evolutionist, I would ask for your money back! But if you still choose to believe that unsubstantiated myth, then I&#8217;ve got some property in Florida that I want to sell you&#8230;</p>
<p>Evolutionists just fight so hard, because there is no other alternative, except&#8230;.   :-)</p>
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		<title>By: casey</title>
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		<dc:creator>casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an odd request to make. Why would they attend lectures after they&#039;ve already finished their schooling? The logical thing would be to ask why they don&#039;t attend secular museums--which I assume they do. Why is it that so many evolutionists tried to use lawsuits and whatnot to prevent AiG from building the museum in the first place? It certainly sounds like fear to me. 

If the professor in question did visit the museum, great. My issue is that evolutionists like to try to silence opposition. The creationists used to do this when they were in charge, and evolutionists fault them for it. Now that the tables are turned I guess censorship is fine again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an odd request to make. Why would they attend lectures after they&#8217;ve already finished their schooling? The logical thing would be to ask why they don&#8217;t attend secular museums&#8211;which I assume they do. Why is it that so many evolutionists tried to use lawsuits and whatnot to prevent AiG from building the museum in the first place? It certainly sounds like fear to me. </p>
<p>If the professor in question did visit the museum, great. My issue is that evolutionists like to try to silence opposition. The creationists used to do this when they were in charge, and evolutionists fault them for it. Now that the tables are turned I guess censorship is fine again.</p>
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		<title>By: John Brolley</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Brolley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The professor whose quote you use (and whose opinion you attempt to savage), did indeed visit the AiG museum in person -- twice, I believe. His comments do not stem from ignorance or fear. He saw your presentation and drew his conclusions, which is what scientists do. With that in mind, I have not noticed any representatives of AiG attending local university lectures on biology, chemistry, or anthropology -- of if they have, they have offered no public questions or comments on those lectures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The professor whose quote you use (and whose opinion you attempt to savage), did indeed visit the AiG museum in person &#8212; twice, I believe. His comments do not stem from ignorance or fear. He saw your presentation and drew his conclusions, which is what scientists do. With that in mind, I have not noticed any representatives of AiG attending local university lectures on biology, chemistry, or anthropology &#8212; of if they have, they have offered no public questions or comments on those lectures.</p>
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