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		<title>By: Roadrunner</title>
		<link>http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/chuck-colson-on-socialized-medicine.html/comment-page-1#comment-2029</link>
		<dc:creator>Roadrunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 04:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My kids are not the exception to the rule. There are many kids that are doing just as well in public schools across the country. My job requires frequent travel across this beautiful country of ours. I meet many young people who are very well educated thanks to our school system. The common denominator is usually that their parents took an active role in their education. The ones that fail simply don’t apply themselves. With any program there is always room for improvement. The main things lacking in our system is funding and parent involvement.

I don’t know where you went to school. 

I do know that my kids learned reading, writing, algebra, geometry, trigonometry the basics in earth science, biology, chemistry American History and World History. That’s quite a bit in 12 years. Now they have the choice in community colleges to advance their studies in any of those areas and a multitude of others if they so choose.

May I suggest if you want to learn more about history and science that you check out your local Community College, I’m sure they would be glad to help you. 

You make a good point on The Cuba issue I’ll respond to that at another time. (It’s past my bedtime sorry)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My kids are not the exception to the rule. There are many kids that are doing just as well in public schools across the country. My job requires frequent travel across this beautiful country of ours. I meet many young people who are very well educated thanks to our school system. The common denominator is usually that their parents took an active role in their education. The ones that fail simply don’t apply themselves. With any program there is always room for improvement. The main things lacking in our system is funding and parent involvement.</p>
<p>I don’t know where you went to school. </p>
<p>I do know that my kids learned reading, writing, algebra, geometry, trigonometry the basics in earth science, biology, chemistry American History and World History. That’s quite a bit in 12 years. Now they have the choice in community colleges to advance their studies in any of those areas and a multitude of others if they so choose.</p>
<p>May I suggest if you want to learn more about history and science that you check out your local Community College, I’m sure they would be glad to help you. </p>
<p>You make a good point on The Cuba issue I’ll respond to that at another time. (It’s past my bedtime sorry)</p>
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		<title>By: Ash888</title>
		<link>http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/chuck-colson-on-socialized-medicine.html/comment-page-1#comment-2023</link>
		<dc:creator>Ash888</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 06:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

Thank you for giving me such a detailed description of your family life. I&#039;m glad your kids were able to benefit so positively from the government school system. Unfortunately, they are an exception to the rule. As a product of the public school system myself, I received top grades in all my classes, yet later I realized what little I knew about history, science, the world, the list goes on, until I decided to study on my own.

And I&#039;m not about to see &quot;Sicko.&quot; This is from a man who glorifies the Cuban healthcare system, and only shows the nice part, which is the part that caters to rich capitalist tourists. Care that the actual citizens receive is more along these lines:  http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>Thank you for giving me such a detailed description of your family life. I&#8217;m glad your kids were able to benefit so positively from the government school system. Unfortunately, they are an exception to the rule. As a product of the public school system myself, I received top grades in all my classes, yet later I realized what little I knew about history, science, the world, the list goes on, until I decided to study on my own.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m not about to see &#8220;Sicko.&#8221; This is from a man who glorifies the Cuban healthcare system, and only shows the nice part, which is the part that caters to rich capitalist tourists. Care that the actual citizens receive is more along these lines:  <a href="http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm">http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike/Roadrunner</title>
		<link>http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/chuck-colson-on-socialized-medicine.html/comment-page-1#comment-2016</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike/Roadrunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 04:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all you critical thinkers out there the following quote is from the original New York Times article.

This quote describes how the drug companies are profiting off of the suffering of people with cancer.

It is about the drug thalidomide used for a form of bone marrow cancer.

“thalidomide, a decades-old medicine now used as a cancer treatment, which is so cheap to manufacture that a company in Brazil sells it for pennies a pill. Celgene initially spent very little on research and priced each pill in 1998 at $6. As the drug’s popularity against cancer grew, the company raised the price 30-fold to about $180 per pill, or $66,000 per year. The price increases reflected the medicine’s value, company executives said.”

The fact is NICE and the other countries looking at adopting the same policies are forcing the drug companies to lower their prices so people can live.

“Britain’s National Health Service has been among the first to balk at paying such prices, which has led many companies to offer the British discounts unavailable almost anywhere else”.

The author of this article never read the NYT article if he did he was being clearly deceptive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all you critical thinkers out there the following quote is from the original New York Times article.</p>
<p>This quote describes how the drug companies are profiting off of the suffering of people with cancer.</p>
<p>It is about the drug thalidomide used for a form of bone marrow cancer.</p>
<p>“thalidomide, a decades-old medicine now used as a cancer treatment, which is so cheap to manufacture that a company in Brazil sells it for pennies a pill. Celgene initially spent very little on research and priced each pill in 1998 at $6. As the drug’s popularity against cancer grew, the company raised the price 30-fold to about $180 per pill, or $66,000 per year. The price increases reflected the medicine’s value, company executives said.”</p>
<p>The fact is NICE and the other countries looking at adopting the same policies are forcing the drug companies to lower their prices so people can live.</p>
<p>“Britain’s National Health Service has been among the first to balk at paying such prices, which has led many companies to offer the British discounts unavailable almost anywhere else”.</p>
<p>The author of this article never read the NYT article if he did he was being clearly deceptive.</p>
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		<title>By: casey</title>
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		<dc:creator>casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 04:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your thoughts are totally incoherent, Mike, and you can&#039;t even respond to my comments without setting up straw men and bringing up irrelevant points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your thoughts are totally incoherent, Mike, and you can&#8217;t even respond to my comments without setting up straw men and bringing up irrelevant points.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike/Roadrunner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike/Roadrunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 03:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The public schools in America are doing an excellent job. My son graduated from a high school in a small town in AZ. He went on to complete an Apprenticeship with The International Brotherhood of Boilermakers. After completing his apprenticeship he continued on to train as a diesel mechanic. Today at 28 years old he works for one of the largest copper producers in the world making over $33.00 an hr. My oldest daughter graduated from the same school .She went on to graduate from a community college with a nursing degree. She is working as a nurse making $30 hr. She is 25 years old. My youngest daughter graduated from the same school and is now attending a community collage for nursing. My youngest son attends a beautiful brand new high school in Phoenix AZ. He plays football on a team that won the state championship in their division. Many of the players are honor students including my son. Their coach played quarterback at ASU. He sacrifices much of his time working with these kids. I am very grateful of the sacrifices of the teachers and coaches that helped my kids to develop into the well educated responsible people they have become. There are many more like them across this great nation of ours. 

Dear sir if you would come out from behind the walls of your anti-American cult (fundamentalist Christianity) you would see an America many of us are proud to be a part of. The only time fundamentalists are proud of America is when our military is blowing up some Muslim country killing innocent men, women &amp; children. 

Sir you call yourself a Christian, you are anything but. I would encourage you to read your bible, entirely and in context I might add.

Finally the only reason you don’t see the problems with the “American system” is because you don’t look past the walls of your compound.Try watching Michael Moore’s  movie “Sicko.”  Oh yes I know he’s a liberal and everything he writes is a conspiracy Let’s remember one thing Michael Moore has never been prison. (What was it Mr. Colson was in prison for?)  

Oh by the way your suggestion for those who are without insurance, should just go to the ER,this is already being practiced here in Arizona. In fact it is becoming so popular that many employers are dropping their health insurance for the same program. People are even coming from Mexico to take part in the program. (Remember it is illegal to turn anyone away including illegal aliens) In no time at all medical treatment will be so high that my company will be unable to pay for my insurance and I can join the program too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The public schools in America are doing an excellent job. My son graduated from a high school in a small town in AZ. He went on to complete an Apprenticeship with The International Brotherhood of Boilermakers. After completing his apprenticeship he continued on to train as a diesel mechanic. Today at 28 years old he works for one of the largest copper producers in the world making over $33.00 an hr. My oldest daughter graduated from the same school .She went on to graduate from a community college with a nursing degree. She is working as a nurse making $30 hr. She is 25 years old. My youngest daughter graduated from the same school and is now attending a community collage for nursing. My youngest son attends a beautiful brand new high school in Phoenix AZ. He plays football on a team that won the state championship in their division. Many of the players are honor students including my son. Their coach played quarterback at ASU. He sacrifices much of his time working with these kids. I am very grateful of the sacrifices of the teachers and coaches that helped my kids to develop into the well educated responsible people they have become. There are many more like them across this great nation of ours. </p>
<p>Dear sir if you would come out from behind the walls of your anti-American cult (fundamentalist Christianity) you would see an America many of us are proud to be a part of. The only time fundamentalists are proud of America is when our military is blowing up some Muslim country killing innocent men, women &amp; children. </p>
<p>Sir you call yourself a Christian, you are anything but. I would encourage you to read your bible, entirely and in context I might add.</p>
<p>Finally the only reason you don’t see the problems with the “American system” is because you don’t look past the walls of your compound.Try watching Michael Moore’s  movie “Sicko.”  Oh yes I know he’s a liberal and everything he writes is a conspiracy Let’s remember one thing Michael Moore has never been prison. (What was it Mr. Colson was in prison for?)  </p>
<p>Oh by the way your suggestion for those who are without insurance, should just go to the ER,this is already being practiced here in Arizona. In fact it is becoming so popular that many employers are dropping their health insurance for the same program. People are even coming from Mexico to take part in the program. (Remember it is illegal to turn anyone away including illegal aliens) In no time at all medical treatment will be so high that my company will be unable to pay for my insurance and I can join the program too.</p>
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		<title>By: Ash888</title>
		<link>http://www.hoshuha.com/blog/chuck-colson-on-socialized-medicine.html/comment-page-1#comment-1997</link>
		<dc:creator>Ash888</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 14:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look what a wonderful job the government&#039;s doing with the U.S. public schools (sarcasm). I&#039;m sure we can expect similar results when they get a hold of healthcare.

Why is it that I never hear of any John Q.-esque horror stories happening in the U.S., but in the more enlightened countries like Canada and Japan, there are often headlines of people dying or nearly dying because of being turned down due to overcrowded hospitals and a shortage of doctors? The U.S. system definitely needs help, but government&#039;s not the answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look what a wonderful job the government&#8217;s doing with the U.S. public schools (sarcasm). I&#8217;m sure we can expect similar results when they get a hold of healthcare.</p>
<p>Why is it that I never hear of any John Q.-esque horror stories happening in the U.S., but in the more enlightened countries like Canada and Japan, there are often headlines of people dying or nearly dying because of being turned down due to overcrowded hospitals and a shortage of doctors? The U.S. system definitely needs help, but government&#8217;s not the answer.</p>
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		<title>By: casey</title>
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		<dc:creator>casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 06:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So your daughter did not qualify for Medicaid because she was a dependent. What was the point of bringing that up? Did you think I would miss your attempt at deception?

No, I don&#039;t support socialized medicine. I want everyone to be able to go to the hospital and receive &lt;i&gt;quality&lt;/i&gt; treatment, but I don&#039;t think socialized medicine is the best way to achieve that, given its inherent problems as I have experienced first-hand in Japan.

I also do not think the government should be in the business of protecting people from poor planning and poor decisions. I don&#039;t want to live in a nanny state. If the purpose of socialized medicine is to force healthy people to pay for insurance, then I don&#039;t think that&#039;s the government&#039;s place. If the purpose is to help those that truly cannot afford it and do not qualify for Medicaid, then they can simply expand Medicaid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So your daughter did not qualify for Medicaid because she was a dependent. What was the point of bringing that up? Did you think I would miss your attempt at deception?</p>
<p>No, I don&#8217;t support socialized medicine. I want everyone to be able to go to the hospital and receive <i>quality</i> treatment, but I don&#8217;t think socialized medicine is the best way to achieve that, given its inherent problems as I have experienced first-hand in Japan.</p>
<p>I also do not think the government should be in the business of protecting people from poor planning and poor decisions. I don&#8217;t want to live in a nanny state. If the purpose of socialized medicine is to force healthy people to pay for insurance, then I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s the government&#8217;s place. If the purpose is to help those that truly cannot afford it and do not qualify for Medicaid, then they can simply expand Medicaid.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike/Roadrunner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike/Roadrunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 06:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I can assume from your discussion you support socialized medicine when someone needs it.

She lived with me and I covered all of her bills except her car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I can assume from your discussion you support socialized medicine when someone needs it.</p>
<p>She lived with me and I covered all of her bills except her car.</p>
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		<title>By: casey</title>
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		<dc:creator>casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 06:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They still get billed. Hmm. But earlier you said they would have no choice but to die. Your daughter made too much money for Medicaid, but she did not take out insurance on her own? How did she afford housing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They still get billed. Hmm. But earlier you said they would have no choice but to die. Your daughter made too much money for Medicaid, but she did not take out insurance on her own? How did she afford housing?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike/Roadrunner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike/Roadrunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 06:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When they go to the ER they still get billed it is not free.

When my daughter was working 1 day a week as a server in a restaurant so she could make a car payment while she was in nursing school she was diagnosed with abnormal cysts which needed to be removed. She was turned down by medicaid because she made to much money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When they go to the ER they still get billed it is not free.</p>
<p>When my daughter was working 1 day a week as a server in a restaurant so she could make a car payment while she was in nursing school she was diagnosed with abnormal cysts which needed to be removed. She was turned down by medicaid because she made to much money.</p>
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